Chapter 10 ABD Commentary
Jun. 3rd, 2025 02:20 pmCurrent Rotation: Benny, Irene, Yoona, Subaki, Taeyeon
Subaki: Well, the room is a complete mess and my children are recovering from their draconic rages. And yet somehow, we're still sparing them from even worse.
Yoona: Yeah... a certain scene was more than enough for us to step up and take control of this chapter. We need to spare at least some part of what's left of their innocence.
Corrin was convinced that the Hoshidans didn't know how to design a building that wasn't beautiful until she saw the inside of their prison.Irene: This whole edgy spiel about liking a prison for it's "proper masonry and stonework" along with her mocking her past self for drawing is really adding to the toxic masculinity obsession.
Theresia: *groan* It’s all coming back…
Caim: Eh? It seems snarky, but honestly a bit bright and nice for my tastes-
After seeing nothing but wooden buildings and paper walls, she was somewhat surprised the first time she was placed in her cell and surrounded by proper masonry and stonework.
Caim: …’proper’ masonry? What is she blathering on about?
Evidently they did not feel the need to beautify their prisons and were able to focus entirely on the strength of the wall for once. Under better circumstances, she probably would have felt more at ease having somewhat familiar architecture surrounding her if it weren't for the fact she was stuck in a deep, dark basement with no way out.
Caim: …A prison would have been more familiar to her?
Jude: You didn’t listen to the full explanation of the writers - this woman is incalculably racist against Hoshidans, to the point where it seems to be her only consistent political motivation. This resembles the kind of hellhole everyone in your world would think is excessive so she is…well, comfortable is too soft an emotion, so less of a hate-filled ball of entitlement.
She felt that she was moderately justified to be a little surprised when her sword developed a mind of its own and started butchering people.Benny: Unfortunately, Teen DDI thinks empathy is for the weak and therefore makes Corringula look sociopathic.
Leliel: It might be a sign of how hypervigiliant this fic has made me against Corringula that I immediately went ‘of course, surprise is all she felt’ instead of ‘bad joke.’ I’m also going to err on the side of caution here, because I believe even the most violence-happy sorts would start freaking out if their weapons suddenly started acting with minds of their own without warning.
The ninja slammed on the wall of the cell, causing an audible clang to resonate across the room. His voice, in contrast, spoke with an even coolness that didn't fit with his body language, making it somehow more intimidating than if he had been yelling. "A ninja...was sent to Krakenburg...he was discovered, you've met him…" Suddenly the pieces were clicking into place in her mind, "This ninja...my brother, Kaze...where is he?"Taeyeon: But for Corringula, it was Tuesday. However, as this is my husband you're talking about and the children aren't here, I hope Ganglari deepthroats you later, you soulless bitch.
His brother…
"...I sent him to Hell."
Wanderer2691: This, on the other hand? *flips bird*
Jude: Quite. I understand the action, knowing it’s a plan, but holy shit woman, poking the Faceless like this when the person has knives is moronic!
Azalin: Not to mention - I see that Her Serenity, champion of the common people, feels not one iota of thought towards a man who she has left brotherless. As part of a ridiculous proving rite.
Caim: I don’t claim to regret the orphans I’ve made, but even I felt some sympathy discovering the Empire’s soldiers acted so robotically because the Watchers had brainwashed them into blind, mindless faith. I would have killed them for being in the way, but neither would I have born anyone seeking vengeance a grudge for it! It’s war, it spreads pain!
Theresia: You may think we’re being overly harsh, but as far as we can tell, Corringula completely forgets Kaze existed after this until reminded. So no, we aren’t chalking this up to “being vicious for a plan”, this is her normal nature that happens to be somehow effective in this particular instance.
GODS SAVE US FROM THE PRINCESS: 107
Not the reaction I was expecting...but still, doesn't really matter. She thought to herself, and looked down with a grin at the small knife grasped tightly in her hand. I got what I needed in the end…Irene: It says a lot about how desensitized this fic has made us that "of course she doesn't expect one's vigilant ninja brother to react violently." Not to mention how stupid her plan was. What would you have done, Your Oh-So-Cunning, should he have stabbed you like he should have? The only reason he didn't was plot armour.
Caim: And all you needed to do was be the kind of shameless manipulator and earlier murderer people want me to kill. And what even were you expecting, knives to be thrown at you? That certainly will be lost on both him and his witness, idiot.
Azalin: As well as the fact that Kagero, a ninja, is likely trained to look for pickpocketing techniques. So you show your father’s planning inability twice over!
Wanderer2691: …and it’s with that real-world context and putting inconsistencies and the general gist of what the plot means that things really line up - Hoshido ending up slaughtering way more soldiers in Birthright with all the Rout maps? An indicator alongside the lack of facetime given to the Nohrian uniques being rapidly slaughtered, and the general feel is that of genuine blindness to consequences on the Hoshidan end. Hoshido ending up having nearly all of its retainers be nobility while Nohr scarcely cares for who fights, as long as they can? Distinct between even the katakana/kanji readings of the original cast. The fact Hoshido doesn’t even know Nohr is starving and using that as a motive? Hints of near-total ignorance coming from them over the status of events here. And hell, the fact King Garon and his cronies (Iago and Hans) are borderline-irredeemably cartoonish lunatics? Entirely sensible given Anankos possessed Garon - Anankos, batshit insane dragon who degenerated to misanthropy - and it makes sense that Garon would openly hire a scheming traitor and a serial killer for his army, an arrangement that also had the Nohrian royals effectively lovebombed in order to keep them obedient - to the point a major part of the Royals character development was built around them justifying their actions before deciding to never justify it anymore. Fates has a lot of these aspects that, if you choose to take the context away from how the game presents it to actual references in real-world history and detail, makes a startling amount of sense.Yoona: That's one of my big regrets about my choice in path. I thought overthrowing Garon would be enough for peace, but didn't stop to think that Nohr was a victim in all this too. I've since learned about the consequences of my ignorance, as the Nohrian populace hold the deaths of their loved ones against me, and rightfully so.
Caim: …but isn’t the reason for that simply due to how flawed Fates’ was written? I don’t care about that world if it isn’t mine, but part of the reason why it was so panned was owed to the contrivances and sheer blistering pace + the way it was presented.
Wanderer2691: Oh, absolutely. But here’s where I ask: if Death Dealer Inc. was so keen on wanting to write Nohr in a more sympathetic light and Hoshido in a more grey light, why not use these CANON elements to the story’s benefit?
*palpable silence*
Leliel: *gets it* …holy shit. It’s at this point, I’m wondering if reading of the TV Tropes character sheet for characterization is the least of the issues the author had with paying attention to the canon.
IT’S BEEN OVER FOUR YEARS, DAMNIT: 35
Subaki: Darling, please don't be so hard on yourself. I will admit, there is a tragedy of misunderstanding. To be fair, the games themselves don't necessarily do a good job of presenting the gray-on-grey morality (Conquest could have really benefitted from them focusing on Nohr's struggles over the convoluted plot to get Garon on the Hoshidan throne), but between the half-assed game knowledge and additional edge, this fic really does not improve on what's given.
"Shapechangers," an advisor said with disgust, "Who will we be enlisting next? Nohrians?"Taeyeon: For the record, no one has ever blinked an eye at Kaden (or Keaton for that matter) joining the ranks. The only main issue is the fact that poachers sometimes come for the fur, but you don't see that being addressed.
Jude: And I tilt my head at the continuing inability to be anything other than “racist” when it comes to a darker Hoshido…
A DIMMER LIGHT: 49
A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE… EMBLEM: 35
"Idiot, what do you think happens if all the Nohrians die?" Said a general, "The Nohrians make up half our workforce. We need them producing food, it would take more time than we have to find a suitable replacement."Irene: I was under the impression that Corringula didn't care, seeing that she gatekeeps Nohrianness. Maybe she's just that ignorant.
Jude: …excuse me, what?
"We should have gotten rid of them 15 years ago after they murdered our king. Mikoto paid the price for our lack of foresight. We can use these riots to our advantage, take care of the issue before they cause another catastrophe. We have enough grain stored to survive a few years without their labor. It would be a price worth paying if it kept the Nohrians from murdering other heads of state."
Jude: Over half of the farmers and craftsmen are Nohrians, also known as ‘palefaces’ due to their near-albinism in this fic, and Corringula didn’t notice?!
Azalin: Do…do the professions of “street sweeper”, “scullery maid”, “rat catcher”, and “mail carrier” not exist? Or are we to assume half the Shirasagi workforce is banned from visible professions?
Theresia: Or, given how the color of Nohrians depends largely on author memory, that they are completely transparent due to not being visible at all? Actually, now that I think about it, I was wondering why the nice man maintaining the chamber pots was a ghost!
Benny: For that matter, how was Hoshido getting by if that much of the working class were Nohrian? Were the nobility running on invisible workers before the Nohrians came?
As a swordswoman, she was used to using her peripheral vision to take in information, and she used that to analyze her new arrival without actually looking at him. He was a young boy, much younger than the stone faced goliath he was replacing, and judging by the deference he showed to someone of the same rank, very unsure of himself.Taeyeon: Ok, first of all, how is she even able to speak this much Hoshidan? The previous few chapters gave the impression that she knew next to nothing, given how she didn't understand what Ryoma and Takumi were saying. Second, WHY THE BLOODY HELL IS THERE A YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED GUARD BEING STATIONED TO SUPERVISE A REGICIDE ACCOMPLICE?
Perfect…
*beat*
Wanderer2691: …Oh shit.
Leliel: Ditto.
Azalin: She is plotting to…I am glad for not having a stomach to be nauseous with…
Caim: Um, what are you talking-
She grinned while grasping the ninja's blade hidden underneath her shift. Practically a key in the right hands. All she needed was to get him close.
"Oi! You there!" She called out to him, "Think I could get a bucket of water?" She said in the best Hoshidan she could muster, calling upon her 6-years worth of childhood memories. The boy scrunched up his face with effort, determined to mimic the cold hearted warrior he replaced. "Didn't you hear me? A bit of water isn't too greedy, is it?"
Benny: My guess for the second is "the plot needed a way to advance."
"I'm...I'm not supposed to talk to you!"Yoona: Oh EW EW EWWWWW. Any charitable idea of her sinking into desperation to get out is immediately shot down by the fact that she seduces him like it's her average Tuesday.
Corrin laughed, light-heartedly to set him at ease, "Why? Do you think I'm dangerous?" She said with an innocent face. She wasn't sure if he could see her face in all the darkness, so she made a point to raise the pitch of her voice to mimic someone much younger.
*long pause*
Caim: Oh fuck me. She’s going to…
Theresia: Yes, she is.
Caim: And she is…
Leliel: In her twenties. Which means this guard she’s seducing her way to freedom with is, at most, a teenager.
Subaki: This entire scene is exactly why the children aren't here. I'm glad their eyes are spared, but displeased mine aren't.
"You're a lifesaver," she said, taking the bucket of water and pretending to relish the hydration, "I thought I was going to die in here. What's your name?"Benny: Mostly likely because DDI didn't bother going to Behind the Name to pick a more Hoshidan-sounding name.
"Uhm, Jacob."
Jude: …and he’s Nohrian, too?!
Leliel: Actually, going by the rest of the chapter, no. He’s just a Hoshidan with a weirdly Nohrian name. Given how prejudiced this Hoshido is against ‘palefaces’, this actually makes sense, given how no paleface would be allowed to guard a Nohrian assassin, but I do wonder how he got that name instead of a more clearly Not!Japanese one.
Theresia: *slowly* The only reason Corringula is alive…Taeyeon: This part is so stupid that I wouldn't be surprised if DDI didn't know what to put in for this part, skipped the scene, and then came out and churned out whatever his teenage brain could think on the spot.
Jude: …and was able to escape…
Caim: …was because this woman dragged him off to lecture him for what had to be an entire guard shift about using hands rather than a knife to kill her.
Leliel: Pretty much!
Irene: Well that finished faster than I thought. Thank goodness. See you next chapter while things continue to go off the deep end.
Vs. Saizo
Saizo: Hmph. I knew this was bound to happen. What I can’t forgive is breaking Kaze’s heart.
Corrin: Saizo! I’m doing this for everyone, including him, can’t you see?
Saizo: Spare me the excuses. My brother was a fool to fall in love with you. No matter, I will settle things here and now.
Corrin: Saizo…
Vs. Kagero
Kagero: It is truly regrettable how things have turned out.
Corrin: Kagero! It doesn’t have to be this way, just stand down and I won’t hurt you!
Kagero: Apologies Lady Corrin, but Lord Ryoma’s word comes first. I must strike you down.
Corrin: Then I apologize for raising my sword, but I can’t let you take me now!
Vs. Azama
Azama: Well, this isn’t very polite. Attacking a defenceless monk? Are you perhaps trying to curry favour with your savage false Nohrian family?
Corrin: Um… no, it isn’t like that…
Azama: Well, whatever the thought process in your absent mind is, I am not afraid. If fate would have you cut me down, so be it.
Vs. Setsuna
Setsuna: I don’t understand. You’re not fighting for Nohr? But also not with us…? Then who are you fighting?
Corrin: Setsuna, I’m trying to not hurt anyone. Please understand that!
Setsuna: Lady Hinoka says you’re the enemy. Even if I don’t get how… I do what she asks of me…
Corrin: I’m trying not to be the enemy, but I can’t just lie down and accept this! Forgive me for what I’m about to do!
Vs. Hinata
Hinata: Lady Corrin, I’ve come to really like you, especially because of Azura… so why are you doing this?
Corrin: Hinata… I don’t mean to turn against you guys. Please just lay down your sword! We don’t have to do this!
Hinata: Look, as much as I like you… I can’t go against Lord Takumi. I’m sorry it has to be this way though.
Corrin: Azura…. Forgive me for any harm that comes to your husband…
Vs. Oboro
Oboro: How could you, Lady Corrin?! Don’t you know what the Nohrians have done?! How could you even think of siding with them?!
Corrin: Oboro, not all Nohrians have done wrong. I can’t turn against all of Nohr just for the actions of a few!
Oboro: I really thought I could trust you! No matter, I’ll put some sense into for Lord Takumi!
Corrin: I can’t change your mind… I’m sorry, but I can’t fall here!
Vs. Subaki
Subaki: Lady Corrin, it isn’t too late to turn around and come back to us. Lady Sakura will forgive you for your mistakes.
Corrin: I’m sorry, Subaki. I can’t turn against Nohr. Please understand.
Subaki: … I may understand more than you think.
Corrin: Huh?!
Subaki: You heard nothing! Any feelings I have must be put aside for Lady Sakura and Hoshido’s sake. Shall we begin?
Vs. Hana
Hana: I thought you had something special here with us! How could you do this to Lady Sakura?
Corrin: Hana please understand! I don’t want to hurt her, but I simply can’t hurt Nohr either!
Hana: Listen, I’ve really come to like you, but Lady Sakura is my best friend. I can’t forgive anyone who hurts her. I must take you down now!
Corrin: I’ve come to like you too, but I can’t allow myself to fall now. I’m sorry, but I must stand firm with my decision!
Vs. Laslow
Laslow: Lady Corrin, you can still come with us. I can try to smooth things over with Lord Xander.
Corrin: And you are…?
Laslow: The name’s Laslow. I understand your motives more than you think, but surely you don’t intend to make enemies of both kingdoms, are you?
Corrin: I can’t turn against either of my families. But if you understand, can’t you help me?
Laslow: Apologies milady, my hands are tied. I cannot leave now.
Vs. Peri
Peri: Hee hee, found you little traitor!
Corrin: I’m not a traitor! I only want what’s good for both sides!
Peri: Not a traitor? But Lord Xander said you were... I'm Peri! No offense, but I'm going to kill you now.
Corrin: None taken. Wait, what am I saying?
Vs. Selena
Selena: Ugh, why did you have to make things complicated by choosing no one?
Corrin: Look…
Selena: It’s Selena. You’re welcome by the way!
Corrin: Selena. I care about both sides too much. I’m just trying to find a solution for both!
Selena: This is so not fair! Now you’re making my job harder! Unfortunately, I answer to Lady Camilla first, so I’m going to have to knock some sense into your dumb head!
Vs. Beruka
Beruka: I am Beruka. I must eliminate you for Lady Camilla.
Corrin: Listen, I don’t want to be your enemy! Please, I’m only trying to do good for both sides!
Beruka: It does not matter. You are the enemy. You must be eliminated.
Vs. Odin
Odin: Halt! I am Odin Dark – warrior chosen by the darkness. It’s been a while, hasn’t it, young Corrin? It’s a shame that I will have to destroy you now, but orders are orders. If only you had stayed true to our glorious and noble kingdom…
Corrin: What are you talking about?
Odin: Oh, that's not the reaction I expected. Do you not remember the darkest and most mysterious of heroes?
Corrin: Um, sorry. I have a really bad memory. REALLY bad. By the way, what’s with the whole “warrior chosen by darkness” thing?
Odin: Yes, well…I am the night! I am the…er… I can’t do this.
Corrin: Then throw down your weapon! There’s no need for us to fight
Odin: No! Must…tame…the darkness… Let’s just get this over with! I can’t control my powers around you…
Vs. Niles
Niles: Well, are you a naive little one? Picking neither side? Don’t you know the world doesn’t work like that?
Corrin: I’m sorry, but I can’t turn against either side. I know it’s hard to understand but…
Niles: The world doesn’t work like that, sweetheart. Even I have to put my own feelings aside for Lord Leo.
Corrin: … What do you mean?
Niles: Ask less questions, milady. Now then, squirm a little more for me instead, yes?
Vs. Arthur
Arthur: It’s a pleasure to see you, Lady Corrin! I am Arthur, Hero of Justice!
Corrin: A Hero of Justice? Surely you can put your weapon aside and join my cause? I’m not against anyone!
Arthur: Apologies, Lady Corrin. Lady Elise comes first. It would simply be an injustice to leave her.
Corrin: Oh Elise… if only I could convince you to come with me…
Vs. Effie
Effie: Lady Corrin! We finally meet! I am Effie, Lady Elise’s best friend, and I’ll crush you for hurting her!
Corrin: … um I understand your anger, but I really don’t mean to hurt Elise! I’m doing this for her!
Effie: It doesn’t matter! If you have turned against her, I have no choice but to protect her!
Corrin: I really don’t want to do this, but I have to survive if I’m to walk the path I’ve chosen. I’m sorry, Elise!